UPDATE: PL parliamentary group agree to amendments to divorce bill

lilljigsaw nghidlu li fl-elezzjoniu li gejja ser nivvota bil-kuxjenza u ser naghzel u nafda kanditati li fil-parlament ser izommu il-principju u jivvotaw kontra il-ligi tad-divorzju, ikunu mun ikunu. Propabbli mhux ser ikolli ghazla wiesgha ghax-id-deputati laburisti Joseph Muscat ma hallilhomx ghazla. Jekk skond int jien hallat il-hass mall-qarabali, jiddispjacini nghidlek li jekk f'ghajnejk jien injorant bla ma taf min jien allura int m'intiex tolleranti. Int ghandek dritt ma taqbilx mieghi u mall-kelma t'Alla li jien inhares b'qalbi kollha IMMA M'GHANDEKX DRITT TAJJARNI. Jien nisrani u lill Kristu ma jehodlu postu hadd lanqas JOSEPH MUSCAT U IL-PARTIT LABURISTA LI KONT NGHOZZ GHALL-GHEXIREN TA SNIN. Inthom kollha li qed tiprovaw tiggustifikaw id-divorzju bhala xi haga li b'xi mod Alla jippermetti jiddispjacini nghidilkom kollha li ma tafux x'qeghdin tghidu. Kemm fl-antik testment u kemm fil-gdid testment ma hemm l-ebda vers wiehed li b' xi mod Alla jippermetti id-divorzju. GHANDKOM KULL DRITT li taqblu mad-divorzju u dan id-dritt il-poplu Malti ser jiehdu. Imma li tinterpretaw il-Kelma t'Alla hazin m'ghandkomx dritt ghax hareg car li ma tifhmux jew ma jinteresakhomx li tkunu tafu il-vera verita. Nies bhalkom ma tistawx tghidu li intom insara ta vera, Probabbli insara tal-isem. Lill-salgister nixtieq nghidlek li barra minn Malta il-knejjes Kattolici jitolbu id-dokumenti tad-divorzju ghaliex fil-ligijiet ta dawk il-pajjizi ma hemmx il-ligi tas-separazzjoni bhall Malta u allura jitolbu id-dokumenti tad-divorzju fil-kawzi li jkollhom quddiem it-tribunal ekklesjastiku ghall-annulament. Pero l-ebda knisja kattolika rumana qatt ma zewget lill xi hadd li jkun iddivorzjat sakemm ma jkunx kiseb l-annulament. Nispera li fhimt u ma tibqax thawwad dak li bellawlek tal-IVA. Inselli ghall-kullhadd u nixtieq il-paci lill-kullhadd.

@ghawdxi ta vera.. Int int jew m'intx? ghadek qed thallat il hass mal qarabghali ta Ghawdxi ta vera li int. u ta ghawdxi ta vera li int ivvotajt skont il-kuxjenza, u fl-elezzjoni generali li jmiss se tivvota skont il-kuxjenza u ta tesserat laburist li int se tarmi l-vot tiegek ghax bil-vot tieghek u minghajrek il-ligi tad-divorzju se tkun non issue sa l-elezzjoni li jmiss. Vera ghawdxi ta vera u laburist mil-kbar.

U min kitiebha l-Bibbja? U minn kemm il-id ghaddiet biex giet il-kitba li hi llum? U kemm il-darba giet irrivajsjata mill-Vatikan? U kemm il-kitba giet iccensurata u maqtugha barra? Jekk id-divorzju ghalik hu dnub mejjet, mela kif ghal knejjes kattolici ta' barra ma jqisuhx hekk? Kif anke qassissin prominenti hawn Malta pubblikament qalu li xorta jistghu jqerru u jitqarbnu min hu ddivorzjat u anke poggut? Siehbi, jiddispjacini nghidlek (tehodhied b'tghajjira, ma nemminx fit-tghajjir. Jien kullhadd habib tieghi u anke min ma naqbilx mieghu) mohhok maghluq wisq ta fl-interpretazzjoni tal-Bibbja. Kieku kif qieghed tpingi lill-Alla int, qieghed tpingieh bhala tirann u bla hniena, li filfatt mhux. Anke Kristu halla bieb imbexxaq fuq id-divorzju biex dawk li jkollhom bzonnu juzawh, u ma kkundannahx totalment. Hawn Malta li qeghdin taghmlu plejtu fuq id-divorzju.

@ lill-salgister dwar id-differenza bejn divorzju u annulament nistiednu jaqra l-evangelju ta' san mattew,san mark u san luqa u ir-risposta ta x'inhi id-differenza bejn divorzju u annulament itihielek il-Mulej Gesu Kristu innifsu car u tond. Nispera li forsi int u kull minn jahsibha bhalek tifhmu li id-divorzju huwa dnub mejjet responsabli ghalih dawk li mexxew il-kampanja favur l-iva u dawk kollha li ivvutaw iva jew astjenew.

Ghawdxi ta' Veru. Iva possibli ghadek ma ndunajtx li d-divorzju qieghed hemm ghal min forsi jigi bzonnu? Ghadek ma ndunajtx li dak jaffettwa z-zwieg civili biss? Allura jekk dak li jghaqqad Alla ma jifirdux il-bniedem, jimporta tispjegali x'differenza hemm bejn id-divorzju u l-annulament, jew ko-abitazzjoni u separazzjoni? Allura, inghid jien, jekk iggib l-annulament (skont dan iz-zwieg qisu qatt m'ezista), it-tfal isiru bghula? Naf x'se tghidli ta. Il-knisja lestiet skuza ghaliha din ukoll. Allura skont kliemek, u kliem il-Knisja Kattolika, din qieghda tiehu post Alla meta taghmel annulament taz-zwieg? Taf xi jfisser dan? L-ikbar dnub mis-7 li jezistu, id-dnub tas-Suppervja!

@ martin borg. Nies bhalek nithassarhom. Miskin int u kull minn jahsibha bhalek. Ghadek ma taf xejn. Verament tikkonfermali li min ma jaqbilx fuq xi issue mal-mexxej jew mall-PL, Laburist jew m'huwiex, tispiccaw toboduh flok tiprovaw tikkonvincuh li hu zbaljat. S' issa hadd ma qalli fejn jien zbaljat hlief bla, bla , bla, bla sens. Nixtieq li jinqala xi hadd u jghidli fejn jien zbaljat fuq id-divorzju. Imma zbaljat fil-kuntest tal-kelma t' Alla l-ewwel u qabel kollox . Alla ma ippermettiex ir-rebha tal-iva, Alla qatt ma jista jkun inkonsistenti, imma il-poplu ghazel li jwarrab il-kelma t'alla u jisma mill-bniedem minflok. Jien kburi li jien nisrani u konsistenti fit-twemmin tieghi. Issa veru, kollu ghalxejn li noqghodu nitkellmu aktar fuq id-divorzju. Issa kullhadd jerfa ir-responsabilita tieghu.

@ghawdxi ta' veru Zmien il-priedki issa spicca ir-referendum sar u intrebah mill-IVA inutli ser tibqa tqaqi bhal EFA dwaru. Dahhala fis-sentimenti ta' mohhok li xejn mhu ser irregga lura l-arlogg. U a propostu tal-priedki tieghek insejt tghid li kulma jigri huwa bil-permess t' Alla allur , ghat-tajjeb jew il-hazin Alla ippermetta rebha ta' l-IVA, jew issa lanqas f'Alla ma ghandek fiducja. Suppost skond hsiebijitek id-divorzju ghandu jkun il-prova ta' min sejjer il-genna u min sejjer l-infern, ghalmenu hu pjacir li int cert li sejjer il-genna.

This article was at first deal with untrue things,like that Marie-loiuse Coliero was going to vote against the bill.Now,this article was modified. Dr.Owen Bonnici,one of the main speakers in favour of Divorce,write a small note in Marie-louise facebook wall and I will share..........''Louise, pubblikament nirringrazzjak tal-pariri siewja u kostruttivi tieghek meta gejna biex bhala Partit Laburista nanalizzaw il-ligi dwar id-divorzju u nipproponu emendi biex din titjieb u tkun dejjem ahjar.'' These are facts,and hope that those who like throwing mud,please take note.

Habib tieghi Gahan ta'fellus. Huwa il-poplu li jtella il-politici fil-parlament u il-poplu inehhi politici mill-parlament. Skond int allura l-oppozizjoni ghax tkun tilfet l-elezzjoni ghandha taghlaq halqha! Ma nahsibx li temmen fid-demokrazija. Ftakar haga wahda li madwar 22000 vot le kienu ta ' laburisti. Ahjar tibda tahsibha ahjar x' tghid ghax kummenti mhux flokhom taghmel aktar hsara milli gid lill-partit li temmen fih int. Ftakar ukoll mill-esperjenza tal-elezzjoni 2008, li meta tasal is-siegha tal-prova in-Nazzjonalist jafu jinghaqdu haga wahda imma il-labour le.

Lill-zeppiqawra nghidlu li minn ikun kontra xi policy tal-partit laburista jew tal-mexxej jitwarrab kif twarrabt jien u kif twarrab Adrian Vassallo u nies ohrajn. It-tessera mhux ser nerga ingeddidha ghax inhoss li posti m'ghadux ma min jahseb li jista jghaddi minghajr Alla. Le jien m'ghadniex Laburist u seren mid-decizjoni. Lill-siehbi Danierl nghidlu li jekk irid ikun jaf min hu ghall-genna jew le, Nistiednu jaqra il-bibbja u jara jekk hux qed jghix skond ir-rieda t'Alla. imbghad iggudika lilek innifsek. Jien ma niggudika lill-hadd, lanqas lill-habib tieghi Daniel

l-Għawdxi ta' Very għandu raġun - ħadd ma jista' jaqdi żewġ sidien. Issa, f'sistema demokratika u mhux teokrazija, il-politiku għandu jkollu sid wieħed biss - l-elettorat li eleġġih u li jirrappreżenta. Min mhux lest li jagħml dan mhux postu fil-politika u għandu jfittex triq oħra.

Allura skond Ghawdxi ta veru il kattolci biss sejjrin il genna?

@Għawdxi ta' Veru Li tkun tesserat fil Partit Laburista ma jfissirx li int Laburist , din tista` thallasa ghal konvenjenza tieghek, u jekk tara ftit il-kummenti tieghek malajr tinduna u jkollok dubji serji kemm inti laburist , ha nikkwotalek bicca min kumment tieghek......"qed tinsulentawni ghax ma naqbilx ma Joseph Muscat fuq id-divorzju ghax donnu hekk tafu biss." inti uzajt il-kelma tafu , issa pprova ifhem

lill-siehbi il-wolf nghidlu li it-tigrija sal-barkun. wara naraw minn jiswa. tghoddx flieles qabel ifaqqsu. il-gurnata it-tajba

Bejn il linji,jekk il pl tilef 6 voti minghandek, gab 600 minghand haddiehor.Il lejl it tajjeb habib, ma swejtx!

I've come in here for the first time and see that the article must have been changed since the first version. How come not even a single word of apology from the journalist or the editor? Even the by-line seems to have gone out the window. I would have expected better from Malta Today. Major slip up boys and girls.

Lill-David south nghidlu li jien naqra il-kelma t'Alla, Il-vangelju imqaddes u l-ebda taghlim iehor u Gesu Kristu jitkellem car u tond dwar id-divorzju. Jekk ghalik it-taghlim ta'kristu huwa zibel ta taghlim, Allura nikkonkludi li int ghandek problema serja. Jien ma nbezza lill-hadd fuq it-twemmin nisrani tieghi, Kristu stess jghid ''Min ihobbni ihares kelmti.'' Jien lill-kristu inhobbu u ghax irrid inhares kelmtu ivvotajt le fir-referendum u ma nistax incapcap lill minn ikkonvinca lin-nies jivvotaw kontra it-taghlim ta kristu . Minn mhux ma Kristu huwa kontra kristu u ninn hu kontra Kristu ma jistax jipretendi l-appogg ta minn hu favur Kristu. Il-Politici iridu jifhmu li ma jistghux jaqdu zewg sidien, Jew m'Alla jew max-Xitan. Triq tan-nofs m'hemmx.

@Ghawdxi ta veru - Ghandek kull dritt temmen biex trid, izda li toqod tbezza lil haddiehor b'dak li temmen inti M'GHANDEKX DRITT!!! Ir-religjon li temmen fiha int u hafna ohrajn bhalek fuq biza biss mimlija u dak biss li tafu tghamlu, tbezzghu lin-nies bhall kampanja moqzieza li tal-Le wettqu, bil-knisja warajom!! Sur Ghawdxi, hawn bizzejjed provi li jgiddbu dak li temmnu intom. Fittex u aqra fuq NDE (near death experience) u tkun taf x'zibel ta tghalim qed ibellghulkom.

@Għawdxi ta' Veru. Jien fejn għidt li int nazzjonalist? Fejn insolentajtek? Li ma taqbilx ma' Muscat u mal-maġġoranza huwa dritt sagrosant tiegħek. Li tostakola ir-rieda tal-maġġoranza mhux. Il-paroli dwar Alla u mhux Alla huma l-ideat personali tiegħek. Lili la jinteressawni u lanqas jeffettwawni. Żmien il-medjuevu ilu li għadda u mar.

nixtieq inwigeb lill-gahan ta fellus, mela minn hu kontra id-divorzju bil-fors hu nazzjonalist. Le habib m'iniex nazzjonalist anzi ghall-kbira informazzjoni tieghek jien tesserat fil-partit laburista. Mela skond int Marie louise coleiro u adrian vassallo Nazzjonalisti! Pero li hu zgur jien nibqa kattoliku u ma niddejjaq xejn li ma naqbilx la ma Joseph Muscat u mall-Maggoranza tal-poplu fuq l-issue tad-divorzju. Iz-zewg deputati Laburisti li semmejt it-tnejn qalu li ircevew thedid etc. M'iniex nehodha bi kbira li qed tinsulentawni ghax ma naqbilx ma Joseph Muscat fuq id-divorzju ghax donnu hekk tafu biss. Ftakru haga wahda. Li kollha kemm Ahna irridu jew ma irridux jew nemmnu jew ma nemmnux, Kollha quddiem Alla irridu nidhru, Dakinhar la jibqa insulti, la jibqa pruzunzjoni u lanqas capcip u bravuri. Ifthu ghajnejkom qabel ikun tard wisq. Inselli ghal-kullhadd. Mod specjali ghal-minn qieghed jinsulentani. Grazzi.

The irony of it all is that Dr Gonzi will be remembered as the PM under whose realm divorce was introduced in Malta! Not that he likes it, mind you. BUT the people have spoken!

Bejn il-linji" jrid idaħħaq - qisu ma ndunajniex li hu nazzjonalist akkanit.

@ Għawdxi ta' Veru - int mhux ma' Joseph Muscat m'intix taqbel, izda mal-maġġoranza assoluta tal-poplu Malti

ghawqdxi ta veru. nehhi l caps (igifieri ikteb ittri zghar) ghax fuq l internet hija meqjusa naqa pastazata tikteb hekk ghax qisek qed tghajjat. U apparti min hekk, qed tkissrilna ghajnejna!

Ghawdxi ta veru.. dawn l-argumenti issa spiccaw mar-referendum. Il-poplu tkellem u temmen x'temmen int, id-divorzju sa jidhol. Bhalma ghidt miljun darba qabel, min ma jridtx juzah, ghandu kull dritt. Li m'ghandux dritt jghamel hu li jimponi dak li jemmen hu fuq haddiehor. Int kburi bi-lprincipji tighek. Nassigurak li anke jien kburi b'tieghi.

Ahnafamilja ta sitta u b din tad-divorzju il PL tilef il-voti kollha. il-pn forsi jiehdu wiehed jew tnejn

LE HABIB , LE M'INIEX PINNUR. RAGEL TA'PRINCIPJU LI MA INBIDDLU QATT U MA NIDDEJJAQ QATT LI NIVVOTA NAHA JEW OHRA SKOND IL-KREDIBILITA TAL-MEXXEJJA POLITICI. DAK LI HU TAJJEB NGHIDLU TAJJEB U DAK LI HU HAZIN NGHIDLU HAZIN BLA DIFFIKULTA TA XEJN. JIEN LA NILGHAQ LILL-JOSEPH MUSCAT U LANQAS LILL-LAWRENCE GONZI U BHALL MA KTIBT BIEX JIRRIZENJA AUSTIN GATT FUQ IL-FROGA LI GHAMEL FUQ TAT-TRANSPORT PUBBLIKU LANQAS SER NAHSIBHA DARBTEJN BIEX NGHID LI FUQ ID-DIVORZJU MHUX QED NAQBEL MA JOSEPH MUSCAT. IL-PRINCIPJU VERU DAK HU, SABIH.

L-Għawdxi ta' Veru qed jinsa l-aktar punt kruċjali. Jekk iċċaħħad lil min jabbuża mid-dritt tat-tieni żwieġ tkun qiegħd, fl-istess waqt, tiċħdu lill-vittma wkoll. Fi ftit kliem tkun qisek qed toħloq ħabs fejn il-kriminal u l-vittma jissakkru fl-istess ċella għal għomorhom. Aħseb fit.

The equoation is simple. Whoever has got a crisis of conscience, a new buzzword in Maltese politikspeak should RESIGN. In parenthesis do the PN have a conscience when for instance forcing people to resign on account of them not being PN sympathisers??? Or this is the Will of God? When are we going to begin speaking and acting responsibly? Now back to the main argument it is up to them to RESPECT the outcome of the referendum and do whatever it takes to make it a RESPONSIBLE law. Good show PL. It augers well for the future. Stop fooling around with internal divisions. Make a stand as a Party of Choice.

Quote:' IT-TIENI MALTI U FL-AHHAR LABURIST JEW NAZZJONALIST' Jigiefiri int pinnur?

HEMM HAFNA AFFARIJIET LI NAQBEL MAL-LABOUR PARTY U HEMM AFFARIJIET LI MA NAQBEL XEJN,DIN TAD-DIVORZJU HIJA WAHDA MINN DAWK LI MA NAQBILX MAL-LABOUR PARTY. L-EWWELNETT DAK LI GHAQQAD ALLA M'GHANDUX JIFIRDU IL-BNIEDEM U IT-TIENI KIF QATT XI HADD JISTA ISSEJJAH ID-DIVORZJU RESPONSABBLI META SER INKUNU QED NAGHTU LILL-ADULTERI, LILL-DAWK LI ISAWTU LIN-NISA TAGHHOM JEW IRGIEL TAGHHOM, LILL-DAWK LI FARKU ZWIEG MINNHABBA IRRESPONSABILITA TA XORB JEW LOGHOB ETC ID-DRITT LI JERGGHU JIZZEWGU. ASSULUTAMENT MA NAQBILX BIL-KBIR.MINN KISSER IZ-ZWIEG MA JISTHOQLUX IL-PRIVILEGG LI JERGA JIZZEWWEG, JIEN XBAJT BL-ARROGANZA SFACCATA TAL-GVERN PREZENTI FUQ HAFNA POLICIES, PERO DIN TAD-DIVORZJU IL-LABOUR PRATTIKAMENT TILEF IL-VOT TIEGHI FL-ELEZZJONI GENERALI LI JMISS. MINN HU FAVUR ID-DIVORZJU HUWA KONTRA ALLA, U MINN HU KONTRA ALLA MA JISTAX JIKSEB SUCCESS VERU GHALL-=PAJJIZ U DAN JIEN U HAFNA NIES B'RASHOM FUQ GHONQHOM MOD SPECJALI HAWN F'GHAWDEX NEMMNU FIH BIS-SERJETA. JIEN L-EWWEL KATTOLIKU, IT-TIENI MALTI U FL-AHHAR LABURIST JEW NAZZJONALIST U KBURI LI GHANDI DAWN IL-PRINCIPJI .

Jien naqbel ma' Tarcisio Mifsud. Min jivvota le jew jastjeni, ghalija qieghed imur kontra r-rieda tal-poplu.

Fl`opinjoni tieghi dawk id deputati li ser jivvitaw kontra jew ser jastjenu, ser ikunu qeghedin jghatu vot ta sfiducja fil leader Joseph Muscat. Din tal kuxjenza hija kollha loghba. Kull individwu kellu id dritt jivvota kif irid skond il kuxjenza, FIR REFERENDUM. Meta nigu ghal parlament il kuxjenza ma tibqax tal membri parlamentari, imma tar rieda kif ivvutat il maggoranza tal popolin. Il membri parlamentari kollha huma imhallsin mil poplu, u iridu jghamlu dak li trid il maggoranza tal poplu, bhal ma impjegat irid jghamel u jobdi lil min qeghed ihaddmu, u ihallsu, jaqbel u ma jaqbilx. Jekk din is sistema demokratika ma tigiex onorata ghandu ikun hemm xi ftit rizenji. Min issa nikkalkula li ser ikun hemm mill l-anqas sitt kazi ta LAPSUSES. ghalhekk mr. speaker lesti ftit tape recorders, ghax nahseb aghqta kemm ser nidhqu.

For me anybody in parliament who would abstain or vote no, will never get my vote - not even the last one on the list, as they would be undemocratic persons who would not heed to the decision of the people. In parliament they are the people's representatives and not their own conscience, they have done so in the referendum. An representative who wants to satisfy his conscience all he has to do is to resign and that is that.

Abstaining is just as bad and undemocratic as voting "No". MPs should either lead (but they decided on a referendum instead), follow (i.e. vote according to result) or get out of the way (i.e. resign).

As far as I know MLCP has said that she will abstain and not vote against. So we would wait and see.

I agree with gene 3 MLCP already stated that she'll abstain and this was also reported on Maltatoday. Karl you just made a pooh pooh. As regards Adrian Vassallo we already know also how he'll vote. PL must keep in mind that gonzi went to a referendum in order to wash his hands and believed he had a majority that will say NO, don't let his troubles effect PL.The people have spoken and they should be respected.

@ incredulous. The report is completly unfounded and not true at first. She (MLCP) is not going to vote against the bill. I pretend more serious articles from Karl Stagna Navarra.

Didn't she always say she would abstain to remain consistent with her leader's position. How is she insisting on the against now? http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/coleiro-to-abstain-from-vote-on-divorce-bill

To be fair to the truth,Onor,Marie-Louise Coliero at any time,she said that she is going to vote against the bill.

The Maltese people has a right to know who is in favour and who is against the divorce Bill. After all we aren't we living in a Democratic Country.The Majority's WILL should be respected at ALL TIMES, otherwise the Maltese Government is simply like other World DICTATORS. What is the opinion of the EU. Do they tolerate these type of Legal Dictators? In my opinion this Bill should be recorded in the Guiness Book of Records. A bill passed by the Opposition and not by the Government